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    Post  relict Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:17 pm

    I would really hope that those advocating government policy of limiting student allowances to those passing their courses have done their own homework and shown numbers of students (if any) that are allowed to continue at their institutions in spite of two years failing.

    I would also hope that any such policy change would allow reinstatement of eligibility after a period of five or ten or so years. This is because I know several people who tried and failed university as school leavers, then re-tried as an older adult and did very well.

    Discuss (the above, or anything about tertiary education and $).
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    Post  ChelseaT Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:38 pm

    I failed university as a school leaver. I have an $11,000 debt because of it. I won't be paying any of it off for the next four years at least. I think people like me, should have to. I'm giving it my second go now (FYI: 2x 100% results so far Smile )
    But alas, I doubt my solution would ever be taken seriously, so I can't be bothered working out the finer details for you.
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    Post  relict Tue Mar 16, 2010 7:51 pm

    I do think the maximum living costs component of the loan should be increased, even if it meant providing evidence of one's regular expenses such as rent. It should be potentially high enough for people to live on. I was not able to live on $150 when I studied, with unfortunate consequences.
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    Post  woody67 Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:23 am

    This may sound fucked but I wish there was a "Pay it forward" option for parents, that some of the tax parents pay is going towards tertiary education for our children ,like how when you retire you get a pension automatically no matter what you own or earnt.
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    Post  master5o1 Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:10 pm

    woody67 wrote:This may sound fucked but I wish there was a "Pay it forward" option for parents, that some of the tax parents pay is going towards tertiary education for our children ,like how when you retire you get a pension automatically no matter what you own or earnt.

    If people could choose where their taxes go, everyone will shift their taxes from areas they dislike to areas that will (likely) benefit themselves.
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    Post  Lynz Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:27 pm

    I agree that there should be accountability, for those that have their hands in the Taxpayers' back pocket to fund their studies. They should be making measurable progress. And if not, out they go. When they should be shown the door, I will leave to the Politicians and the Education Authorities. I don't think we should fund 'professional students' Or more correctly, bludgers.

    But, yes, after a reasonable stand down period, those who can demonstrate the commitment and ability, to restart their studies, should be permitted to do so. Under more stringent oversight.
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    Post  Donkeycheese Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:37 pm

    Lynz wrote:I agree that there should be accountability, for those that have their hands in the Taxpayers' back pocket to fund their studies. They should be making measurable progress. And if not, out they go. When they should be shown the door, I will leave to the Politicians and the Education Authorities. I don't think we should fund 'professional students' Or more correctly, bludgers.

    But, yes, after a reasonable stand down period, those who can demonstrate the commitment and ability, to restart their studies, should be permitted to do so. Under more stringent oversight.

    in my job, I have to pay for futher studies. When I pass, I can put in an expense claim - now, if it takes me 4 times to pass, I still only get one payment from the company

    it seems reasonable to me
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    Post  flat_tack Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:09 pm

    master5o1 wrote:
    woody67 wrote:This may sound fucked but I wish there was a "Pay it forward" option for parents, that some of the tax parents pay is going towards tertiary education for our children ,like how when you retire you get a pension automatically no matter what you own or earnt.

    If people could choose where their taxes go, everyone will shift their taxes from areas they dislike to areas that will (likely) benefit themselves.


    You say that like it's a bad thing??
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    Post  Diaz Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:28 am

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    Post  Bardan Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:59 pm

    These comments anticipate my perspective..

    If people could choose where their taxes go, everyone will shift their taxes from areas they dislike to areas that will (likely) benefit themselves.

    We've got that. It's a bank account

    Back to roots here.
    We have an area of education catagorised by The State which uses its power to make scarce. It limits the supply of schools that are permitted to exist, the number that are allowed to use the title "university", and jellously guards and oversees the institution of qualifications. I resent me, or anyone, being told they are too stupid/poor/far away/etc to get to know a "tertiary" level of Shakespeare or physics or economics or mathematics. How dare they?

    In this context comes this funding problem. Consumers (students) are first alienated from their own transaction in the name of a subsidy to help them pay the fee. Like economic clockwork, the producers (universities) have raised their fees to take advantage of the State's purse. In reply to the new higher fees the State increases its subsidy, prompting higher fees and thus we have a feed-back loop as producers race to justify higher fees. My, how fees and fiscal expenditure have resembled that theory since it became policy!

    Students ability to value education is thus destroyed, along with their interest in spending the education dollar wisely. What incentive to consume efficiently when there is not cost? What fool eats the same way when his meal is free? Why study hard not to fail, why be careful picking courses and attending class when it's not your own dime?

    If the State made petrol free wouldn't we by driving and flying more often and more pointlessly and uselessly? If so, why shouldn't the same economic incentive apply to "tertiary" learning?
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    Post  Diaz Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:49 pm

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    Post  ____ Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:40 pm

    Diaz wrote:How dare they?

    Are you a Poe?

    I'm thinking yes, to be honest.

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