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    If someone could please post this in SC

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    Post  superarmy Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:01 pm

    Currently on a ban over a reason I have never been told about, nor been notified of until I tried posting one day, I haven't really cared but only somewhat disappointed at missing a few interesting conversation. Even though it appears moderators seem to be more in the business of censoring on behalf of the minority to restrict the majority. Moderators are meant to curb trolling, unproductive comments and threads, and take a role of keeping, the best and most engaging members to stay around and mold them into show people for the forum.

    Though from the above criterion one may quickly realize SC doesn't know how to actually run a forum, it's moderating system is simply a way to bend rules to ideologies. Indeed this happens in most forums but at least the overall administrators develop a system to avoid corruption. Although it's clear the administrators don't even have a basic understanding of forum programming, many a time have I heard "The administrators said they can't move threads between categories". Kinda goes against what an "administrator" is by definition.

    Now we have addressed the incompetence, how about we try and find the solutions.

    Step 1) Hire and administrator how knows how to administrate

    Step 2) Evaluate the moderators performance and take out power drunk bigots.

    Step 3) Establish a new moderating system which has clear definition and remove the moderators right to remove any content. The new system will allow appeals which would be handled by a 2nd moderator and if further appealed to the administrator who has the final say.

    Final step, allow advertising on the forum for a fee. You need money right, incentive to keep the forum in top shape. Top shape forum generates more traffic, maybe lower the exp allowance to enter.

    Friendly advice from a member of the greatest forum board in the history of the internet, Life, the Universe and Everything, shinning example of fine moderating and a well propagated board until it's untimely death.

    Love, Superarmy
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    Post  master5o1 Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:22 pm

    Actually, moving threads between categories is more a design flaw in their software. They would have to implement the ability to do so in the forum software before anyone -- admin or moderator could move a topic.

    They've already got it done for one category -- moving something to contro, simply expand on that and they've got the ability for anywhere else.


    Moderators should be evaluated, I agree. Any action done by a moderator should be logged before the commit to the database, the post should be hidden from the public eye immediately. This would allow an erroneous deletion or for one's 'missing' post to be disputed and reversed.

    Essentially: "Delete this post" becomes "Hide from view". Any actual deletion should be layered in bureaucracy. Very Happy




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    Wait, you're joking right? Or are you talking about 4chan? In either case, you're still joking.
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    Post  superarmy Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:31 pm

    master5o1 wrote:Actually, moving threads between categories is more a design flaw in their software. They would have to implement the ability to do so in the forum software before anyone -- admin or moderator could move a topic.

    They've already got it done for one category -- moving something to contro, simply expand on that and they've got the ability for anywhere else.


    Moderators should be evaluated, I agree. Any action done by a moderator should be logged before the commit to the database, the post should be hidden from the public eye immediately. This would allow an erroneous deletion or for one's 'missing' post to be disputed and reversed.

    Essentially: "Delete this post" becomes "Hide from view". Any actual deletion should be layered in bureaucracy. Very Happy




    Friendly advice from a member of the greatest forum board in the history of the internet, Life, the Universe and Everything, shinning example of fine moderating and a well propagated board until it's untimely death.



    Wait, you're joking right? Or are you talking about 4chan? In either case, you're still joking.

    Isn't an administrators role a job to be able to modify the code itself and allow that to happen.

    And did you never go to LUE, it was the starting point for Anonymous, then first raids where done from there.

    Originally founded by CJayC to host mind-challenging threads and extremely intellectual debates about life in general, it soon gathered a group of insightful individuals whose common intellect soon grew too powerful for CJayC (or anyone else on the the internets, for that matter) to handle. LUEsers, as they started calling themselves, slowly mutated into a species of overpowered individuals. Linked together by mystical powers that cannot be comprehended by mundanes, they built a religion around their new holy God that they worship daily: LUEshi. Outside experts conjecture that the LUEsers must have found nothing less than the meaning of life, and that it must be somewhat connected to LUEshi.

    When LUE and the Cult of LUEshi started to expand beyond control, CJayC was contacted by the FBI; he was given a direct order to close LUE to new members. CJayC complied and made it so only accounts created before November 15, 2003, 21:31 could join LUE. LUEsers were shattered, as this meant that the cult of LUE could no longer expand, but was doomed to wither


    Gamefaqs, it was closed of 1 month before 4chan even existed. Oh how I loved thee.
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    Post  Summoner Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:48 pm

    Isn't it a bannable offence now to post on behalf of banned members?
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    Post  superarmy Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:51 pm

    I've sent two emails, how the hell us am I supposed to communicate with them, they do not reply.
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    Post  Summoner Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:02 pm

    That is a question, like most, that will probably never get answered...

    And if you have already not received a reply on two emails sent... do you honestly think they will answer you via a post posted in SC? Or just delete the thread and/or ban the person that posted it... because as we all know they seem to love banning people for no apparent reason other than the realisation that they just can and do not have to justify their nazi regime


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    Post  superarmy Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:04 pm

    I might do it with my own alti (friends account). Seems like a sinking ship anyway....
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    Post  Summoner Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:14 pm

    Isn't that always the way?
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    Post  superarmy Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:14 pm

    Want to avoid drawing to many questions between the two.
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    Post  master5o1 Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:29 am

    superarmy wrote:Isn't an administrators role a job to be able to modify the code itself and allow that to happen.

    As far as the public can see, webmaster is the one who programs the software. I'm assuming that PermissionCorp / RewardsCentral / SmileCity has one full time programmer, though there may be more people that share the "webmaster" account that we see.

    The administrator(s) wouldn't necessarily change any code.
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    Post  master5o1 Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:24 am

    http://www.smilecity.co.nz/Community/ForumPost.aspx?topicid=183311

    Saw this.

    NightWalker wrote:yes we do.

    It would be like saying, in my view, laws, do we need them. Of course if the question is Michael Laws, do we need him, then that is no.

    But in a forum moderators assist in the smooth running of a place. However it would help if proper forum software was used, and that moderators were participating members of the forum that could be approached by Private Message.

    Truth: Smile City is running "proper" forum software. It's a forum, it works.

    I agree that moderators should participate in discussions. This way they may gain more respect from users, and may be more inclined to post 'hey guys, keep it down' messages.

    NightWalker, 29/07/2009 8:20:01 PM wrote:
    Not really, because the moderators are simply following the procedures and rules set out to them by admin, and I believe from a post Woman made recently any action they take they must report to admin. Thus the problem isn't the moderators as they are simply doing the job set out for them

    And I guess the difference with other forums I belong to and this one is that this one is a business, where the other forums I have belonged to aren't so allow more freedom in how some topics go.

    When I was trying to do some 'hacking' of the forum, the 'moderator ban user' UI was simply this:

    Code:
          <!-- Moderator Ban Member div-->
        <div id="mbDiv"  style="position:absolute;visibility:hidden;clip:rect(0px 0px 0px 0px)">
                <div class="forumMenuWrap">
                    <div class="fMenuTop">
                        <div class="fMenuHeader">My Forum Options</div>
                        <div class="fMenuClose"><a onclick="javascript:hideMenu('mbDiv')"><img alt="close menu" src="../Img/common/close.gif" border=0/></a> </div>
                        <div style="CLEAR: both"></div></div>

                        <div class="fMenuOptions">
                            <p>Are you sure you want to ban the member who posted this message for 2 days?</p>
                           <input type="submit" name="ctl00$mainContent$btnModeratorBan" value="Yes" id="ctl00_mainContent_btnModeratorBan" class="activeBtnSml" />
                            <input type="button" onclick="javascript:hideMenu('mbDiv')" value="No" class="activeBtnSml"/> 
                        </div>
                  </div>
        </div>

        <!-- End Moderator Ban Member div--> 

    Important: The only 'warning' or message display in the dialogue is: Are you sure you want to ban the member who posted this message for 2 days?

    There is no evidence (that I can see) of moderator-input explaining their action.


    Just now I saw this (new?) option that mods/topic owners might have:

    <!-- Delete all post by this member in this topic div-->

    Interesting.
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    Post  happycamper Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:16 pm

    I am not posting in smile city much anymore. I only post in few threads that relate to me. I think JC getting banned totally sucks as his post were entertaining. There is no fun in there anymore and you are not even allowed to have a joke. Its not even worth going in there to collect the 2 points. To be honest I hope the place goes bust and closes.
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    Post  Summoner Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:50 pm

    One day, you will have to show me how to use that ban member function master5o1.

    we don't get the function to delete all posts by a member in one thread however... that is a mod function.

    It would be nice to have it though... There are a few who post crap that could so easily be cleaned out.
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    Post  master5o1 Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:00 pm

    Summoner wrote:One day, you will have to show me how to use that ban member function master5o1.

    we don't get the function to delete all posts by a member in one thread however... that is a mod function.

    It would be nice to have it though... There are a few who post crap that could so easily be cleaned out.


    I was trying to ban say, Skyline from Waireka's threads, but it just ended up banning skyline from my threads Neutral === fail.


    Also, look at the bottom of the forum topic html source Wink I'd like to figure out if the delete-all-posts function is actually possible Wink

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